Cisco Lays Off Several Hundred Workers
Cisco Systems Inc. laid off several hundred employees on Thursday, as the company tries to control its costs amid declining sales.
Between 600 and 700 people were laid off at the company’s San Jose headquarters, according to a person familiar with the decision.
Source: WSJ
they bring in choice hires who are funded by the company and then the BUs would throw them out after one year as they are not free to the BU any more and would keep on getting more choice hires…….what an excellent example of being unfair
I’ll assume you were in the choice program. One thing you can do it let any friends
you know that are still in college/graduating soon….how the program plays out….
So they can make a more informed decision.
Having been at cisco, I am not sure where cisco is going as a company. It doesn’t want to focus on its main products like routers and switches. It wants to focus on media products and all the media components like processor/ chips are brought from another company. So , its basically doing only integration work. I could be wrong, but just an opinion.
I heard that there may be another round of layoffs (around 5% of CDO may be impacted) in December .. Is it true ??
Could anyone that got the early retirement package give some detail as
to what it included ?
I have worked in many companies but Cisco is the worst of all.. If you are
a woman, you get treated very bad. No promotion or salary increase. My boss
who happen to be an Indian, always disrespect me and question my work. I like
to complain to HR but I am worried he will come after me in my performance
review. Not sure what to do! (Boxboro Location)
I thought no promotion/salary increase is across the board
Even you don’t complain, he will still make your performance bad, you will see!
Most Indian managers are just mean like that.
Mary, don’t complain to HR. It’s no use. A co-worker of mine went to HR to complain about his manager. He even got an offer to transfer to another group in Cisco. His lady Indian manager somehow convinced the Director to handle everything. Even though HR gave him all this crap about VP approval to transfer, nothing ever got passed the Director. His transfer was stopped, stayed to suffer through fake performance improvement nonsense (very vague things that were impossible to accomplish), and then let go as bottom 5%. My advice to you is to NOT do anything and start looking for another job internally or externally.
Or make your boss likes you. Start kiss his/her ass. I see a lot of people get promotion/salary increase if they do that, even they are just doing a mediocre job.
Hi Mary,
I have worked with different companies and interacted with people from different regions of the world. Be it Indian, American, European OR Japanese. And every region of the world have both good and bad guys.
Sometimes cultural differences cause misunderstandings between 2 good people too.
There is a classic example that my very first manager told me.
Indians usually say “I have a doubt” in place of “I have a query” for asking a question. But German guy may take it offending way because they feel that the counterpart is suspecting him, even though it was not intentional.
Every culture is unique and its important to understand the culture before u interact with the people of that culture.
I followed the advice from my manager and I had wonderful and healthy interactions with my German colleagues in my previous company.
It seems to me that you and your manager’s chemistry do not match for some reason.
Try to patch up and if it does not work, better move on silenty, world is full of exciting opportunities.
Good Luck!
Thats a strange comment - considering most of the VP placements/promotions in recent months have been female !
What can we do regarding these managers? who can we complain to… HR just a
puppet of the managers and they are powerless… These Indian managers have
a big ego and a even smaller brain…
Mary
Nothing you can do, if you can find few more people file a complain to the same manager, that’s a different case.
Quit is your only option. In my case the HR guy is an Indian. HR does not the staff. Their so called “investigation” amounts to interviewing the same managers. The director’s excuse is, he has too many people.
I am an Indian, and have seen tons of Indian managers in Cisco who are rude and disrespectful. The pitiful fact is these idiots have been in this country for more than 15 years and gave not grown up to this country’s culture. These managers think themselves to be dictators. You will notice that most of these a-holes have done all their schooling in India and have worked for sometime in some company in India before moving to the USA. I would be surprised to hear of any Indian manager who did get some education in this country behaving in this same rude manner.
Most of these bad guys have thick mustaches. Stay away from these managers
I once met a similar senior manager over a job position. He had a hard time even browsing the web as he was trying to show me his group’s site…
You should be aware of all IT is outsouced to India now and they don’t even know how to resolve most issues we are having today. I have one alliance case open for 3 months without resolution but the local IT guy took 2 hrs to fix it for me. Some BU that I’m aware even move all their H/W support back to Bangalore for some teams who have no clue every time there is linestop come up in the factory…what the heck…not sure what the BUs were thinking about this move…this company is going backward…
>Most of these bad guys have thick mustaches
Interesting observation. I’m from Europe and I too think that one should stay away from thick-mustached guys (not just Indian).
To desi_mgrs_stop_being_a_dick,
Hi Mr.Perfect…So, you found a generic rule to eliminate bad guys…wow..great.. So, how about french beards, full beards, long side bun’s etc.. hv u done some research on them too ? Is this what you think your studying abroad helped in your thinking ? All of us instead of acting fools and blaming it on others based on race, sex, religion etc … lets use our heads on sort the issues we have with your colleagues or bosses…If you can’t solve your issue, its your lack of talent and don’t blame others that he/she did not try to understand or helping you in career (promotions/salary). As “Mr. Happy Ex-Cisco” said, if you can’t fix it, call it quits and try a different approach to build your career (There is no one path to build your career). In Cisco we have unsung hero awards and if we are really worth it, we will be nominated by other teams we are working with… A person who is really good can’t be stopped and he never blames his failures on others.
And by the way Mr.dick.. oops Mr.Perfect .. don’t generalize things and it doesn’t mean that if a person shaves off his mustache he is will be Mr.Dick..oops ..Mr.Perfect like you….
Lets all live and work together and concentrate on our jobs rather pointing it out on someone else for our failures…. Live and let live.
Chill out bro!! have some coffee or tea. See this is exactly what I was talking about, why are you so rude? Were you abused as a child growing up?
Honestly bro, don’t you agree that a lot of middle aged desi managers who came after a brief stint at some Wipro, TCS, etc, behave in this rude manner?
Fortunately, I don’t have a desi boss nor had one at Cisco so far. I know how to deal with these rude desi managers, atleast in my group.
Not me ..you need to chill out bro….. human attitude doesn’t depend on skin colors or facial hair styles….. Now I see why there’s a saying that people like to pull back their own kind….. I think you are a fresher out of college and you are thinking you belong here….. look at the racist comments by your fellow american’s…. don’t add to fire as you are in the same community these racists wants to kick out….lol
For you to make sure you be considered part of this racist community and not kicked out with other fellow indians, get your skin color changed just like the poor n crazy pop singer does ..:)
Mary, Update your resume and look for another job. Get out of there ASAP. There is nothing you can do and your situation will get worse. Cisco has become a company of unethical, kiss-ass losers. Don’t drink the kool-aid.
RTP has over 80% white. SJ knows RTP hides project/people but no one wanted to take actions about. When Protor visited Richardson campus in 2009 he publicly talked about it. RTP needs to be cleaned up, especially Frank B.’s group. Frank stole the SBC project from SJ and put all his bodies that were laid off by other groups on it. Don’t know how long they can do it?
No offense to any Indian folks here…but I would agree that most Indian managers with this company know only how to talk simply they can speak fluently in English and full of BS playing politics. If you ask them to do the work like being hands on then they will quickly pass the ball to someone else like a soccer player. Every Indian I talked in this company only want to do only the talking not the real work which they supposed to do…is so obvious that manufacturing job mostly can be outsourced to China instead of India as you can see today..I understand how you guys feel if your manager is an Indian who talks very high level BS daily without helping you grow in your career..Good luck.
Why wouldn’t Americans (i.e., John and his cohorts) qualify under the same clause? They are shipping everything out of the country to be done cheap, collect a finished product — make some videos claiming they were the brains behind the product and sell it for $$$.
All the manufacturing work is being shipped to China. Cisco is more bullish on China than any other country(incl. the US)
Comment #11150
You are right! These (Indian) managers are all about politics. They think
they are in India and they are making a deal in a local Market. There is this Indian
guy who has the lowest performance record in our group, but he is a
personal friend of my manager, and now he is “untouchable”. They laid off some
white guy who was performing much better than this Indian guy, just because my
Indian manager ptotected his “social bud” ( and we have 5 of those guys in or group).
If you look under most of Engineering BU’s, you will
see Manager after Manager who are Indians. Is it because they are smarter or
are they better politicians or BS’ers than the rest…. What would John Chambers say
if we expose these guys? Is John C as corrupted as his VP’s and Senior Managers….
Lets put it this way, Cisco is hijacked by the Indian Mafia. They have control of
the whole company and if you do not play the same game as they do, you will be out!!!
***To admin of this site: Is it possible we can name these managers in this blog?***
From the admins: Mary while the maintainers of this blog have had their share of less than stellar Indian colleagues, we would prefer to keep this blog free from personal attacks. Especially since we can not verify anything that our visitors are saying.
If you have a web page with your opinions on the matter you’re welcome to leave a link to it in the “website” field of the comment form.
Mary.
Please go ahead and publish their names… how will it make a difference?? But I am amazed about “Indian Mafia” hijacking Cisco! Poor Indians who are such sissy folks have now become a mafia to dread!! Sounds funny ..
I don’t understand how all these “dumb” Indians got into a “smart whites only” Cisco… which “superior” white let these guys in?
Common folks, don’t turn this into a racist blog… you have stooped into such levels that I don’t feel like coming back to US anymore. Why blame someone else for your misfortune?
The “supreme white” race really has so much hatred for other people on this planet but they hide their hatred so well under their skin and pour it out in these blogs showing their true colors.
Let me list the good deeds of the superior white race here:
1. Enslaved the blacks in Europe first and then in US
2. The Europeans raided and plundered every other asian country and put the indigenous people in those countries to great hardship for centuries. Countries like India suffered under white rule for centuries - people were brutalized and killed and beaten up for no reason.
3. Again the white Europeans came to Americas and killed almost all indigenous people here and called it their own country! By what logic ? Might is right!
4. Gifted deadly weapons and 2 world wars to the world.
5. Made great scientific and technological advances which are now threatening to make our planet a garbage dump yard(think of all that plastic, e-waste and toxic waste) and wipe out all life forms on it very soon
6. The African continent is so riddled in violence and darkness because of white mans politics to create internal strife and benefit from it…
7. Whites invented capitalism,consumerism and corporate culture and exported it to the entire world
- and this alone is enough to cause huge inequities in developing countries…
So folks, now that you are losing your silly jobs because of a thing called recession, you want to find some easy punching bag … but don’t you think it’s such a insignificant thing when you consider how whites have systematically destroyed whole populations? Whole eco-systems? Who is going to hold them responsible?
If you didn’t like Indians, why did you give them Visas? I am sure if US decided to stop H1, there would be no way for any Indian to come to US. And who invented Globalization? Certainly not Indians! You created your troubles and now you blame others!
I hope all you white ranters stop bitching about Indians and be more objective in your postings here from now onwards. It’s disgusting to see so much hatred…
Regarding the following comment from one of the bloggers:
”
If you didn’t like Indians, why did you give them Visas? I am sure if US decided to stop H1, there would be no way for any Indian to come to US. And who invented Globalization? Certainly not Indians! You created your troubles and now you blame others!
I hope all you white ranters stop bitching about Indians and be more objective in your postings here from now onwards. It’s disgusting to see so much hatred…
”
If it is up to me, I will kick every one of your kind out of this country, specially the ones who
brought over their “village politics” in the corporate America. It is our government with
powerful lobbyist who push the H1 Program, when there are so many Americans out of job! Do you
relly believe Indians are Smarter tham Americans? You are very wrong! You guys know
how to BS and all of you have a system going for you in America, where you managers
are protecting and lobbying for you. If Indians were so smart, why is it India such a poor
backward, dirty and disgusting country? I feel bad for those white men (Senior Cisco VP’s)
who move their family over there for the “experience of life”. Hope they stay there and
never come back.
The Arabs and other Africans enslaved Africans before the white people enslaved them. Please re educate yourself and look over some history.
The vikings enslaved the white people and sold them off too…
smartIndian:
I totally agree your 1,2,3,4 …., But it is another topic, we are talking about the dirty Indian style politics in Cisco. All your 1,2,3,4 …. has nothing with this and cannot deny the fact: Indian Mafia hijacked Cisco. Why you “smart” Indian guys are so afraid of facing the fact.
BTW, I am not a white American.
As Ex-Ciscoite and an Indian who worked in San Jose and now moved to India (thankfully before recession) - I can see the point about Indian politics to a certain extent. But aren’t you guys giving way too much credit to us “filthy” Indians? On one hand, Indians are the poor-code-monkeys, earning peanuts, staying with 20 other people, good-for-nothing SW engineers stealing your jobs, while on the other hand, they are mafias literally running Cisco influencing JC and gang to such a great deal that Cisco is now owned by Indians.
Both can not be true now, can it? So let us either admit that Indians are these supercool dudes who reach high powers and stay there (You can BS your way to the top, but can’t stay there for long just BS’ing) OR Indians are low-life scums living in an apt filled with filth/sharing with 20 people.
Let us bring some objectivity back in the discussions - please..
Peace!
I used to believe the story: “bush!t can make you climb up to high position, but cannot let you stay there long”, but now I realized it does not apply everywhere. In you Indian culture bush!t not only can make you climb up to high position, but also can let you stay there long until the whole system collapse. Now you guys are bringing this bush!t rule to Cisco.
What about JC? Is he really staying there because he is worth the salt? Please look for the press releases he made a decade ago, saying, things akin to the internet growth being infinite et al. Incidentally, nobody at the top is worth anything — humans naturally build of hierarchy in which someone has to sit at the top, whether he be qualified or not. Stop the racism here — it hardly makes any sense. If companies run by whites were so great, why do you need the unions (i.e., teamsters), etc. Go back in history to check how all the [white] capitalists plundered the life out of incoming [white] Irish immigrants in the 1900’s. Humans are naturally bound to get into this sort of quagmire — it just happens, the non-desis here are so angered by their countries inept [white] people at the top who are screwing them in all respects, and the victims are redirecting their anger elsewhere.
What a malfia’s logic! so if JC is playing bullsh!t, it is reasonable for you Indian guys to play bullsh!t here?!
smartas*indian, The only reason why you folks were allowed into the US in the first place is CORPORATE GREED!! It’s not that we couldn’t do the jobs. You butt-wipes undercut our wages and the boardrooms loved it. Please dont come back. We dont want you and we dont need you. Between our own govt, our own corporations, and you’re slimy undercutting tactics, US nationals are now screwed. At least we dont have to live in that sewer you call a country. Too bad Bhopal didn’t take care of more of your low-life undercutters.
Actually, there _was_ a shortage of high-skilled workers (and always will be, because most people are dumb) and the first shipments of Indians were really good because the American companies could select the best of the best from the untapped job pool. Initially that created a false impression that “all Indians are great software engineers/doctors/whatever”. Alas, the IQ distribution is roughly the same among all nationalities, so once the crème de la crème was exhausted, the “average” and then “below average” people began to appear. The rest is history
A friend of mine has a personal conspiracy theory that Bill Gates’ (and others) humanitarian efforts in Africa have the goal of tapping into yet another job pool. No matter how smart someone is, he won’t be of any help in writing Office 2030 if he never learns how to read or even dies of malaria. But given some basic education and a computer to play with (OLPC!) the guy may turn into the Silicon Valley material.
No one will sympathize with you if you think that a tragedy like Bhopal gas leak should wipe out entire people. Your barbarian past is talking now. Then I would say it’s fair game that you lose your jobs (in fact if it has to be fair game, then you should lose much more than your job but I won’t wish for that). I am only targeting the racist white folks like you. And you talk about Corporate Greed. Whose corporate and whose greed? It’s your own peoples corporate and your own greed. You dug your grave and are slowly being sucked into it. So it has nothing do with Indians.
Hi Anon,
It seems u just forgot that India is world’s largest democracy. And everyone is proud of it. India is the most diverse in terms of its citizen’s religion, caste, language. Still India stand united and India rocks!
Its really a hard nut to stay united as a nation while having extremes of diversity.
And the best part is the Indian of the so called “sewer” are rocking not just in India but in the whole world including the US.
There was never a shortage. With a name like Padesh, it’s no wonder why you’re drinking the kool-aid. In the 80’s, this country laid off thousands of qualified engineers from the aerospace industry. When given the choice of paying experienced American workers the prevailing wage or hiring cheap foreign workers, they (the govt and corporations) made up this so-called worker shortage to create the H1B program. This country never was and never will be short of qualified workers in any field. The only thing that American workers are guilty of, is refusing to be exploited by corporations making billions of dollars off our backs. We refuse to live with 20 other people in one house, and we wont live in our own filth.
You make some good arguments, and I think you’ve been on the receiving end of some injustice, but you flame out with stuff like this.
>> Too bad Bhopal didn’t take care of more of your low-life undercutters.
Direct your anger and efforts at the corporate types…..
Well, at least I’m not ashamed of my name to hide behind “anon”
The foreigners I know who work in IT make $120-$150K, which is in what, top 5% in this country? So I’m not sure what exactly do you mean by “cheap foreign workers” - are you confusing us with the Mexicans hanging around your local Home Depot? Ditto for 20 people in one house, living in filth and the rest of that BS.
As for “never will be short of qualified workers in any field” - that’s not possible even if most American children were considering science to be cool (alas, they don’t). Like I said, most people are dumb (oh well, not brilliant, let’s put it this way), and will stay that way no matter how much “experience” they have. Therefore if you want exponential growth you have to constantly find new people to do the job because there’s just not enough of them no matter how much you’re willing to pay.
Im amazed that some of the brightest minds of world have forgot their elementary math.
more output / less money = higher efficiency
Now even in an Indian engineer is 1/4th as productive at 10 times less salary, he is still 2 times more efficient per doller spent.
That’s how the management and business works!
And its better to be more efficient than cribbing around to be more successful in life.
We all know Indians are sissies (as you put it to be called “Mafia”). As a matter of
fact, they are very successful because they are “yes sir” types, when they are
so scared to say “no” to their higher ups… On the opposite side, white men
usually stands up and fights… So when it comes to Cisco Culture, Indians
hire within where they can rule their own kind. This is where corporate Mafia
fits.
If you are a senior manager who happen to be an Indian and your VP and
the Director and the Senior Manager and the first level managers are all Indians,
then if this is not Mafia then what is it… Just look in Directory for Pankaj Patel who is
the senios VP and his direct report who happen to be another Indian, and
the next guy which is another Indian and all the way down to first level manager.
These guys will be exposed… These are the guys who shipping jobs overseas
or bringing Indians in to this country to take over the jobs..
For the rest of you guys, watch out for those Indian Back stabber managers. They smile
at you, but they have their knife ready to stick you when they can ! Watch out….
bud… Pankaj Patel has 16 reporting to him.. and 13 were non Indian’s … FYI to get your statistics right…
You are wrong “bud”… Go under Kelly Ahuja and Praveen A. and you see whole
new ball game.
You see VP after VP and Directors all Indians. Go to any specfic groups,
you will see it is mostly dominated by Indians. You can cover the facts
but I have been in Cisco long time to say it is dominated by your kind.
It is sickening to watch this is happening to “Made in America” company.
Yes, I see this, but its not from Pankaj patel or Praveen A, I see this starting from some directors below them. Unfortunate to know this…I am in a group where none of us are from same country and we have a healthy environment.
Think,
that is right, it starts from VP Sri Hoskote and below him. But that is not the
only group, lots of other groups who have Indian managers and almost
everyone under them are Indians.. It happens more in Sjose than other
parts of the country.
Watch out for Gyan Bhal also! He only favors Indians. He is under Sri H.
and brings over all his ex-buddies from 7600 group.
smartindian, can you tell me why most people in this thread only criticize Indian managers, but not Chinese or other races?
Gates, Chambers, Ellison and the rest of them know that pitting proletariat against one another creates hatred. This is for their amusement and they are laughing at all of us. The blame should be directed at these corporate scoundrels.
Precisely, the foolish population here is crying of racism here, where as the corporate top dogs are making huge money out of this.
Do you know what is the image of Indian community in my mind:
1) nepotic. kiss up and kick down, no independent thought.
2) not dependable. Always speak more than do, always speak better than do.
3) Constant lairs. Almost all Indian IT engineer’s resume have “extreme” inflation. I worked with many recruiters for job hunting before, all Indian recruiters (yes, all, no exception) cheat their clients by fake my experience and offer me the answer for pre-assessment test. no other race recruiter did this. They never be shame of cheating.
This is not based on just a few Indains I know. I have worked with over a hundred Indians, although a few of them are excellent , but Indian as community are, one word, “stink”, not because of your curry, or your color or your accent, but because of your behaviors.
Wake up, blaming JC or white American or Chinese will not change your image in other people’s mind. If you want to prove that I am wrong, starting with yourself, let me have a chance to know next 10 Indian who do not “stink”
Dsadad, Go get a life!!! One word for you. “Loser”
These comments prove how big a loser you are. I bet you dont have any single acheivement to your name.
How can you typecast a whole community?
There are liars in all races, colors and communities.
Open your eyes and look around. You will find many brilliant and trustworthy Indians.
Dsadad:
So true everything you said above! I have came across many of them in my career
at Cisco. They start working very hard to impress but then they go in cruise control.
Well said !
This stuff is getting ugly…..You didn’t have a rogue band of Indians come into to
Cisco and hijack the company without senior management/board knowledgeable…if you
still work there get angry at the right people……
I’ve worked with many Indian engineers at Cisco that it was my privilege to work
with. And I was on an LR list………
I am loser, JC is bullsh!t and all other whites are guilty, so what ? does this change what you Indians guys are?
Again, to prove I am wrong about Indians, you don’t need to blame others, just start from yourself, let me see at least 7 out of 10 Indians I meet next do not stink!
Go put a hood on and burn a cross….you’ll feel better
I have noting against Indians and as a matter of fact, I have made lot of friends
from India while working at Cisco. My beef is with the Indian managers who play
lots of politics in Cisco. I would say to play it fair… If you send jobs
overseas, then tax those jobs so companies think twice before sending jobs.
Hire and promote who deserve it and not because you just spent a birthday
party at each other house. This comes back to the discussion as why they
are so many Indians work under Indian managers and why so many Indian managers
working for other Indian managers. If you guys do not admit there is some sort
of favoritism going on in Cisco, then Indian as community will get bashed through
these public forums. I do not care Indians love to eat curry, 3 families live
together in a small house or 99% percent of them drive Japanese cars… I do not care
they make lot of money but still so cheap to bargain over the price of oil change.
That is ok with me, people are different and they will live and learn..but please give a
fair chance to everyone. Obama should go after corporate greed and that is why you Indians
disapprove of him so much. So for the sake of “civilized discussion”, please explain
why so many Indians working for Indian managers and so many Americans are in unemployment
lines…. Cisco hire these guys to put a “golden handcuff” for several years….
ok well said but I have a few points :
Indians work unde rIndians and chinese under chinese … so why bash Indians alone…
they did get their village politics as someone said it but it is hardly as simplistic as
Indians favor Indians …it is very complicated and intricate and deserves a PhD in itself
I am an Indian woman that got LRed, I had an indian boss and his boss was a white man. My impression
was that his boss was too fat-dumb & happy to care about what my manager was doing and so I would blame the white guy
even more than the indian guy … the indian boss gets away with what he does cause the white guy is too fat-dumb-happy
And at the end of the day too many average people in the industry esp at Cisco have caused this since they are not
really motivated by technology and hence not interested in work .. this is bound to happen.
smartIndian I am an Indian American myself and would agree with most of your comments but I would also say that Indians are sometime to be blamed themselves for these atrocities. Indians are so divided themselves that when they see a white person they think the white person can save them from going to hell. Little do they know that ass kissing of White people and disrespecting their own people will take them no where.
First of all I do not believe that all White people are bad. Americans stood up for freedom and defeated imperialism and got freedom from the British Empire. India did the same but were divided politically amongst themselves. It is true that imperialism / Globalization and the love for money is destroying the world.
Cisco Q4 results : http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2009/08/03/daily59.html
“fourth quarter net income of $1.1 billion”
Chambers is hurting – needs more money for his Palo Alto mansion landscaping. He has political aspirations. Remember all of his actions against Americans.
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/26058
I hope their 1.1B fell down to just couple of Millions. It won’t happen but I really
hope so… I have been with this company and I have not got anywhere in my career. Lets hope
we all get the 6 month package and restart fresh with another company. I assume if the sales go
furthur down, John C will panic and he will go back to layoff more innocent…
M.
So, you want to cut the goose laying eggs for you…so cheap… this company paid you all these years and you want to it down …so mean… take early retirement and you will get good benefits…
Funny, you may want to consider returning to high school to learn English composition. Let me guess -you believe that you are the top 20% of talent at Cisco.
As long as there is this rotten Indian $$it at Cisco this saga continues
I would rather hire the recent layoffs at cisco. There were some really very solid engineers.
Cisco is Churning out * * *
California state is bankrupt and prisoners are out!!%
Cisco can hire these prisoners. John is any way a ^^philonthropist^^ *sory*
any news of fresh layoff in cisco
no layoff so far. The purpose of layoff is giving a fat bonus to upper management.
Heard a rumor that another 30% layoffs in offing very soon.Indian employees will be given an option of joining cisco india on local salary.
30%? you mean close to 20,000 people?
I thought the local salary only given for the first year if you are approved/allowed to move from US to another country for a same/different job. If that’s the case then I’m sure all “to-be” laid off Indian will choose to join Cisco India for US $$ Salary, who wouldn’t? Shame to John if this option is being offerred to Indian employee here in US..
Are you that stupid? Why would they pay US salary in India? If any company did that you will see all Indians moving to India.
30% layoff? Hard to see a reason why they are doing that even with 35 billion cash in the bank. Unless they put 30% more workforce in India??
There is conspiracy, don’t you guys get it? Indian managers are trying
to move all the jobs back to India so they hire their cousins and friends..This
way they go back home and say how they screwed America out of their jobs.
These hungry deprived managers are here to screw the rest of us.
jackbauer must brain damaged. c’mom. they didnt even do the 10% they were talking about all year and now it’s up to 30? i heard that they are going to nuke the SJ offices and move everything to richardson. that sounds reasonable. doesn’t it? please dont respond to such stupid comments like jack’s. it only reduces the value of the site as a source for “relatively” good info.
Any more layoff or restructuring news? Anyone here from CVCM-manufacturing, heard there will be some LR happening in this group but not sure when.
Several positions let go in RTP, NC area, contract and FTE last week. Sad.
Cisco will continue to layoff people every Quarter till economy is back what it
was before. Cisco has perfect excuse to layoff folks in US and move the
jobs to India, don’t you guys get it? Just look at pathfinder, you do not
find too many Software Engineering positions but you see lot of customer
and Sales related jobs. So for the guys in Engineering, your job will be
eliminated soon or later (unless the economy picks up again and Cisco
makes BIG profits. But for now, Cisco will silently layoff Engineers and
move the jobs overseas.
No surprise seeing more hiring in India than US. There are openings for India you won’t find in pathfinder simply because Cisco lets their “vendors” to do all that locally in India especially Bangalore. At least I found 50 more software/hardware new positions opened last week in India. For us working in US we gotta find others way to survive otherwise we will be soon ended up jobless in the near future..
Are you contacting your Congressional and Senate reps about this outsourcing? Are we resigned to being lambs for the slaughter? This is abhorrent practice by US companies such as Cisco and IBM.
US government recognizes all these practices. Haven’t you listened to Obama?
He has tried to warn companies like Cisco and IBM to do the “right” thing. Cisco’s
official response was “if you tax us higher, we will cut more jobs in US to save money and
end up sending more jobs to India”. Freaking Cisco upper managers…
Right now Obama is busy with Health care reforms. US consumers should stop buying
Cisco’s Gear.
You know what is really funny.. The freaking Indian job seekers in India are applying for
This is double edge sword. Not only US sends jobs overseas, but also Indian
US jobs (through Monster, Dice, etc) and offering their services for much cheaper
price
Engineers are trying to take over the little jobs left in here.
Please spread this webpage blog to your friends so we can spread the word.
Obama has not only asked IBM and Cisco to stop shipping jobs to foreign countries but also to stop shipping their products overseas. He believes it is not patriotic to earn dollars outside of United States. This rule will have a significant impact on these companies’ revenues because foreign countries account for more than 50% of their revenues.
OK ….stop exports….that’s a new one, haven’t heard that… what’s you’re source on that ??
A lot of projects have been moved-out. I don’t there is much of a future here in Cisco SJ.
I got my pink slip in July’09. All five useless Indians who suck up big time to the manager stayed. The manager is a phony guy like JC. Also, I’ve recently had a phone interview for a position in SJ with an incompetent Indian manager. I could barely understand his English and his stupid questions – no surprise I did not get the job. I am moving on… Good luck all!
It was 2001 when I saw non-indian manager at Cisco SJ last time.
For some of us who were cut back in July, are we going to get our bonuses?
Our last day is Sept 14 and bonus will be paid later this month.
Can we take any legal action against Cisco if they do not pay our bonuses?
(I am not bottom 10% and my EPM is not complete).
I was also on the list in July and my management has confirmed
that we will get our bonuses. Saw an e-mail from our HR rep to
that effect as well.
They will direct deposit as long as you’ve not made any
change to you bank account….if you do talk to payroll.
The people in Georgia (Lawrenceville) office where told by there managment that we were getting our bonuses. What’s up with that,mix signals………..
OK I’m a little unclear. Do you mean you were told you were or were not ?
I don’t think anyone on this thread said were not….
I did see e-mail from HR confirming that laid off employees….though
naturally that didn’t call it that…were still getting bonuses.
Rumor is that Cisco is hiring back some laid off American workers. Staff shortage because so many took the early retirement package plus the layoff occurred at the same time.
Anything is possible coming from the headless-chicken-overpaid-underachiever-arrogant-middle-aged-executives over there, especially those “geniuses” from India who are only after their green cards and six-figure salaries.
If there is any open Req, then Cisco will fill up those spots with the laid off workers. But that is
like 3-4 jobs for every 500 lost. It is life out there, my advice is to leave Cisco and
screw the company who DOES NOT understand employee loyalty. What do you expect from
a company who runs by Indians. They are here to screw the rest of us. Maybe you can trust
your fellow Indian worker, but never trust the Indian Managers.
My experience is: If you have an Indian manager (Any Indian manager), you will never, ever, be able to compete with your Indian Colleague, no matter how well you do and how hard you work.
Best for you to do now is, get yourself laid off, take the 6 month “bonus” before they can still pay it, and leave this moron operated company.
Does not look like any ex-employees who did not get their EPM completed
by their managers will get any bonuses from Cisco. Managers took
their time by not completing the EPM, so they have a good excuse to put
these employees buttom 10 with out these employees knowledge ..
Another way for Cisco to screw the laid off folks.
What can we do?
Keep spreading the word that Cisco is a crappy place to work. This is all we can do.
Guys,
Check out the Cisco Web site, over 300 jobs in India and
only handful in RTP or other sites… Now tell me “Cisco
plays fair”
You should contact your State rep and bringup “trade benefits”
act for laidoff American workers.. just google it.
It is confirmed. If you suppose to get your bonus, you should have got
a letter by now.. What Cisco has done is as follows, they pre-planned the
whole thing. They did not complete the EPM on time so they can leave
a door open to justify why the effected employees did not get their
bonuses. For those people who are not getting their bonus, it is pure simple,
you were ranked bottom 10% with out you knowing.. This is pure crap company
I can tell you why this company sucks so much. They fired all of us, but
then they gave each other bonuses. I assume Managers and Directors get about
20-30k Bonus each, would’t it better to not give the managers bonus and
save one job? Doesn’t Cisco gave up the water bottles, travel cost
and VPN costs to cut down expenses? So why is the managers (mostly Indians)
are getting their bonuses and lot of good people lost their jobs.. The answer
is pretty simple, Cisco Sucks. I wish I never worked in that company and I did not
waste over 10 years working hard for a company who treats their employees like this.
I am going to write to my state rep and Department of Labor. Please do the
same.
wow..I cant stop pitying all of you..So sad that all of you had tolose your jobs..
the state here in Bangalore, India is totally the opposite..We have an awesome campus with awesome facilities, we work for only 4 hours a day, download movies all day and we get awesome salaries and perks because “cisco wants to hire the best talent in India”..
And you wont even believe the life we have in CA-GSP..its like paradise, no work, awesome pay and stupid managers who love getting their butts kissed..could not be easier at all..
Enjoy all you can… soon they will move all the jobs to Africa
Or maybe they will bypass Africa, directly outsource to the Antarctica, There are so many free labors –penguins, and even the penuins may provide a better product quality than Indians.
That is so funny
In the spirit of satire… you Indians should apply for asylum in Canada and stop coming to America, and definitively stop bugging us here too from wherever hole you live. If you’ve taken geography in your elementary school, you might have learned that Canada is a huge country with only 34 M people. Perhaps they need you there to shove snow, mop floors, manage their gas stations or kiss butts. Better yet, please move to Antarctica and stay there. Also, please remember that in the civilized world like the USA, we use spoons, forks and knives to eat, not the hands like monkeys or squirrels. Also we don’t wear the living room curtains as dresses. Please keep those habits to yourselves in your own country.
Please be fair to Indians, You idot, everybody knows that they do not use their “hands” to eat, they only use the “right hand” to eat. Their “left hand” is used to clean up their butt after using toilet.
so BTW, don’t foget to bring your own toilet paper if you have to go there.
haha,keep on eating bullsh*t and enoy your happy life. But just remeber although bullsh*t can make you high, it cannot last for long. This is still a capitalist world, free market dominate every thing, a company like Cisco will not last for long (just look at Motorola, Nortel). I will be very happy to work for Cisco’s competitor if every Cisco Department is like yours.
Whatever man..
You guys are the ones who are complaining that you put in 60-70 hour weeks..No wonder your wives/girlfriends are sex starved and go around looking for satisfaction outside..These days, I have time for afternoon quickies as well..
And i dont need this to last for long, life doesnt last for long..All we need to do is work for another 10 years and we have enough money to retire (thanks to the kind of salary we are given here) and lead a sane life..And you guys will still be slogging your asses off in the capitalist world, trying to make “stunning products” to capture the free market..
Come to Bangalore, see the heaven that biggies like Cisco, HP, Microsoft have created here..Or you can stay back there and lead the pitance that you call life.. you can exist, or you can choose to start living
Bangalore is definitely at the top of my list to live. Are you folks still killing off female fetuses and women without a descent dowry? Throwing acid in female faces is so civilized. Yup, you’re a keeper.
You are a typical Indian, peroid!
Whatever people..
Each place will have its own set of pros and cons.Yup, the points that you have made above do plague Bangalore.But I dont see how they affect you directly.
But on the other hand, the life that you “live” is filled with problems.Thats exactly why all you ” whites” are here on this forum complaining about long hours and job cuts.
You people never learn from your mistakes do you..Help the Taliban against the Russians, they then come and massacre your loved ones in 9/11.. Open your jobs to Indians and they come and belt your happiness and steal your jobs.. And you call yourself intelligent..
Yes, Im a typical Indian..Hope you realised that Indians are the only ones who are not cribbing like sick puppies on this forum..And you guys better get back to work..Or you might get “Laid” off
Best of luck when the H1N1 pandemic hits your country.
H1N1 already there in India but those poor government is not able to identify them yet. Even that the people don’t even have money to see doctor and the doctor there won’t even give a damn…looks like having Cisco office there in Bangalore is the best American can do to help them but unfortunately they are the one who doesn’t appreciate much of that. Good luck man!!
The typical Indian guy,
Do you know what a “typical Indian” means? lazy and greedy, stupid but think they are smart, arrogant, speak more than do, never get a meaningful work done well, no independent character (either enslaving or enslaved), no sense of fairness, now plus one -shameless. That is a typical Indian.
You think we are comlaining about the layoff itself, no, we are just complaining the breakage of fairplay rule in Cisco. “You do best then you get it” This is the American spirit for hundrede years, now it is messed up by you Indian gangs in Cisco. Regarding layoff itself, who cares, Laid off by a company like Cisco is a blessing. yes, I lost my boring damn job in Cisco, But got a better one within a month and plus 6 month package from Cisco (you poor guys may have to stay their kissing your Indian boss’s dark ass for another 5 years to get that much bonus). Enjoy your worm-like life in Cisco Bangolore branch and save the pity to yourself.
Typical or non-typical Indian doesn’t make any difference anymore since thousand years ago. They are all selfish, stupid (but they still think they are the smartest), useless (look at what India today, what can they contribute to the world, couldn’t even do any good to themselves), and finally but not least they are brainless.
For those Indian manager they think they are the smartest, earning a lot of money (how much, 1M per year? so what), most obvious you will see them is only knows how to TALK but never get themselves assigned on any action at all, very good in passing the ball. The way they work is terrible, they will work with you by talking the entire day. Don’t expect they will do more than expected but they will talk more than what you want to listen.
Why Cisco hired so many of them? The answer is easy. They all talked very well during their interviews using their “INglish” and know how to bring their own friends in from India. Hope this company is still growing like population in India but I don’t it’s a good idea for an employee or manager to grow and get promoted by only Kissing each other asses. Wish you the best in Bangalore and enjoy the time you have left in this company.
Indians in American high tech companies are just like termites. If you have one Indian colleague, it is OK, If you have a few, then trouble comes, you find it is hard to get the tings done in the right way, if you have an Indian manager, it is the hell, the end of the world is coming to the company …
wow, so you like your workplace and job now? you have this because of Cisco, an American company who gives you all that not your home country India, you better thank the American for giving you such a wonderful job and environment. If we are losing our job here in US we are still living in one of the best country but watch out if you lose your job there man, don’t act like you are flying high now, thousand years of history doesn’t show India going anywhere better so you better appreciate what you have now and get out of this forum. Focus on your job while you are still have it now.
Yeah, come to Bangalore. Dead people in the streets. every disease known to man, thousands of homeless children. Oh, and if that’s not enough, how about hot and cold running s*it flowing in the streets. India is so over. China and South America are next for expansion. You guys got all you’re going to get. Also, you enjoy those quickies with those slags you call women. I wouldn’t put my thang anywhere near an Indian woman. Gross.
Come to Bangalore, see the heaven that biggies like Cisco, HP, Microsoft have created here..Or you can stay back there and lead the pitance that you call life.. you can exist, or you can choose to start living
Cisco has revolving door for all Indian laid off employees.. They leave and
then come back right in.
Shame on you Indian Managers who are managers not because of your skills but
because you kiss your fellow Indian superiors… You will be exposed.. I am going
to notify Department of Labor.
Enough with the Indian comments. That’s not what this site is about and I am not Indian. It sounds like there are alot of bitter people on this site. This site is for rumors about lay-offs at Cisco. With that being said, last week was the last week for the employee’s who took retirement package. With that be completed has anyone heard anything of LR’s occurring in October and December?
http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_13406480?nclick_check=1
Enough with the Indian comments. That’s not what this site is about and I am not Indian. It sounds like there are alot of bitter people on this site. This site is for rumors about lay-offs at Cisco. With that being said, last week was the last week for the employee’s who took retirement package. With that be completed has anyone heard anything of LR’s occurring in October and December?
While it’s very possible there will be more LRs, I dont think any new laid off people will fair as badly as past ones. There is a marked increase in internal job postings and they are not all going to Bangalore. So, if you’re not a bottom-feeder and you get notice, you may have a decent chance of picking up something in another group. It all depends on how big the LR is. The smaller the LR, the better chance you have of staying. Word is that more people took the ER package then was planned for. That means more job openings. I get the impression that the big layoffs are over. We’ll always see LRs and always have. Get training and make yourself more valuable to them and maybe you’ll be ok.
If you do not have a good relationship with an Indian manager (another word,
if you do not kiss up to them), expect to be on the layoff list in the next
round.. but have a little proud and stand up to these clueless Indian managers.
Not the whole IT world works in Cisco. It is life out there.
Looks like John Chambers got over 2 mill dollars bonus for laying off people.
His total compensation is 14 Mil dollars this year… Can you believe that?
He fires people, cut down the costs to save money and at the end he
gets 14M salary… Now do you trust John Chambers?
One hopes that at the next birthday breakfast…someone brings this
up.
just curious, who do the ranking stuff for JC? How did he do his epm?
He must have done very well in his EPM.. E+++++++
It is just a joke.. According to someone in the Wallstreet, if Cisco
did really well then what would be his bonus, 100 million? it is so sad
Cisco laidoff people, cut down in so much expenses and most probably
will continue to do layoff, but then you see these big bonuses.. Forget
about JC, how about all those VP’s+Directors,2nd level managers…
Imagine how much they made….
Directors and above were getting at least 20% for their bonus and RSU this time, it doesn’t matter how their EPM looks like. Even for the 1st or 2nd line managers are doing pretty good if their direct reports of Director or VP likes them. All about politics in this company, so really no surprise seeing 14M for Chambers. Some one told me about one Director received 10000 RSU and 35% bonus this year, WTF, but what can we do? Breakroom even cutting down Lipton green tea but giving away a lot of money everywhere among those management group. If you don’t have any good relationship and connection with any Directors or VPs then you have no future working here. No matter how hard you work and you will not get what you deserved to have. The management structure here is so much corrupted and politically polluted. If you read this and if you are currently the director, don’t tell me you are allocating the bonus and EPM rating in a fairly manner, only Idiot will trust that is performance base and not connection base.
I’m one of the Realtors who previously worked for Cisco. Most of my clients are currently working in this company and I can tell you that some of them is able to pay off a 700K home in 2-3 years. Looks like the big bonus really help them a lot and that’s why I quit my job not to waste time with the ridiculous workload and management style.
check out this document (incase you can not open the other link)
register in the site (takes 2 mins) and
comment regarding the article. This is Sjose paper and the author is
in contact with Cisco HR.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_13448610
Glad to know that there are so called Software Engineers at Cisco ?!!!?
Glad to know that there are so called Software Engineers at Cisco ?!!!?